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From: ForthFAQ@willett.pgh.pa.us (FAQ account for comp.lang.forth)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth,comp.answers,news.answers
Subject: Forth FAQ: Programmable BBS Information. (l/m 07.Nov.93)
Message-ID: <4827.UUL1.3#5129@willett.pgh.pa.us>
Date: 15 Dec 93 01:39:54 GMT
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Last-modified: 07.Nov.93
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[This is a message that I thought deserved to be preserved.
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From: jpeters@wet.COM (John A. Peters)
Subject: Programmable BBS report etc.
Message-ID: <5827@wet.UUCP>
Date: 31 Oct 93 01:55:45 GMT
Notes and thoughts
by
John A. Peters
Having sat back and passively read and enjoyed the net for a
while, I thought I might as well write in and report and some odd
thoughts before dialing in for the news this time.
THE PROGRAMMABLE BBS has retired at it's old location in Novato
CA. Many thanks to our system operator Levi who provided the
hardware and his time and efforts. Thanks also to the North Bay
Forth Interest Group for funding the cost of installation of the
phone line and the first two or so months of phone charges. To
all those who called in, please stay tuned for a new phone number.
Tomorrow, Sunday I have an appointment with a long time Forth
Programmer named John Cassady and his son, here at my home. I
will demonstrate the use of EZY.COM a share ware BBS system that
offers QWK mail packets and doors. John has volunteered his
interest in running the system on his hard ware in Oakland CA.
Switching to EZY.COM, from the Wild Cat System, will finally allow
the "Programmable BBS" to be somewhat programmable. The new
program has source for the menus and the command structure of the
menus. These items can be put on line. Also on line will be a
menu program called ANSI DRAW which builds menus and another
program called DOORWAY which some how sets up a door. Both
doorway and ezy.com use a Fossil driver. Our next step(s) will be
to get the door system to be operational and on line.
The purpose of the DOOR program is to allow a DOS program to be
run remotely. For example there is a Forth Language BBS that is
called F-BBS. It is compiled on F-PC and includes source. With
the door in operation F-PC could be one of the choices on the
menu. Other programs have been submitted.
They are "Baby" from B0b Lee and "The Fig Tree BBS" from Mary Bell
aka Lady Bacardi. "Ariel BBS" from Al Mitchell (not the author?)
Mail readers using the QWK mail packet format:
"SLMR" Silly Little Mail Reader
"King Qwk" mail reader
Now we are getting programmable! (What do you think?)
On another note:
IMO Jeff Fox's dissertations on the evolving of the P-21 chip and
his exchanges with Charles Moore are highly enlightening and very
interesting and are of the type of message that I want to
encourage here on the net. Keep it up Jeff! :-)
At the last Silicon Valley meeting Chuck brought his latest chip
which he demonstrated. It had no case and was powered by a
variable voltage heath kit power supply. The power leads were
pushed in to plated through holes with out benefit of solder.
Chuck answered my question by saying "if you solder them then you
have to unsolder them when you want to move them" The chip was
very reluctant to fire up and had to be prompted numerous times
(50 or 100 times) by shorting the reset line against a capacitor
leg. Finally it started on the 48 inch monitor at the meeting and
displayed the color bars in al their glory.
In his presentation he shared with us that the presence of the
color bars is proof of a lot of success and that many parts and
circuits are properly working. It really was quite impressive and
a big crown gathered at the end of his presentation. Chuck went
in to the details of the soft ware of which I am not expert enough
to elaborate on.
The other speaker was our out of town guest who last spoke ten
years ago when he released F83X which is an extension of the F83
system of that year.
This year Wil Baden showed a Forth system based on ANS forth with
exceptions to the standard. I was impressed with the fact that
many more words work nicely regardless of the mode. That is to
say that they work both via the interpreter and the compiler.
Words such as IF ELSE THEN DO LOOP CASE and so on. It includes
words that will call "C" libraries and other features that will
advance the state of the art. Money is secondary in this release
but he is not distributing it till the documentation book is
completed. The soft ware will be included on a disk in the back
of the book. Projected price is $25.00
Let me encourage you all to sit down at the keyboard and enter a
message for the net. Most of us are passive readers. I find the
only way I can get myself to respond is to write my thoughts
before I call the net, other wise I am filled with others ideas
and don't get around to responding unless I can find a system that
enables an off line reader.
In that light I am still shocked that I can't find any one who has
an off line mail reader for DOS. I have browsed other conferences
and asked a few questions an nothing has turned up. The best off
line reader I have experienced used the QWK mail packets and was a
function of the Computer Continuum which has since ceased
operations in SF although the parent system still runs in LA which
is a bit far for my budget.
Long range one of the goal of the "Programmable BBS" may be to get
a feed of the Forth Net for our system. B0b Lee in novato had
previously offered us a feed that sounded to be some what of a not
automatic operation. When we get on line we may ask for
opportunities for a feed. We also may use the Programmable BBS to
archive the "best of Forth messages" so that persons new to Forth
can get up to speed.
End
Mr. Peters is an Electrical Contractor who wrote and uses an
estimating system every day which is written and compiled in
Forth. He has been using and enjoying Forth since 1981 and was
the F83 disk librarian in 1983. He can be reached at (415)
239-5393 voice and Fax at 585-1245 or as
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